Author Topic: New PC Time  (Read 1616 times)

Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
New PC Time
« on: January 23, 2016, 05:00:11 AM »
Okay the time has come, getting new Pc Monday and I need a little help.

I'm going to stick with AMD as I like how they do there own internal components, I already have an Asus and I have never had any problems with them.


CPU is a  AMD A10 7850K APU 3.7 GHz It's a good CPU I think for a decent budget. I'll stick a CPU cooler on top Zalman CNPS5X Performa to keep it chilled out.

Motherboard is a  Gigabyte F2A88X-D3H, Offers 4 Ram slots, I'm only using 2 at the moment which will be as followed.

X2 16GB Corsair 2400mhz Vengeance Pro, this will give unlimited multi tasking ability and run games just so beautifully.

Windows 7 as it's cheaper then 10 and you get a free upgrade once you get 7 any ways.

450W Corsair VS power supply super quite

I left out an Optical Drive as no one uses Cd's any more.

NOW! The HARD DRIVES, I'm quite happy with all the above, I already have a 2GB graphics card and won't need a new one of that, The hard drive I want is a Kingston 240GB SSD, The solid state drive offers super fast reaction speeds and is so much faster at transferring information from point A to point B. It's only 240GB as there not cheap so Windows will go on that and any other games will go on a secondary drive location D drive or the slave ( I THINK THIS IS RIGHT) RIGHT? Just wonder if this would work and make the whole system more reliable and efficient at storing information.
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2016, 08:26:18 AM »
If I take out the hard drives all together and just for now place the One I have with Windows 7 installed would this also be okay, I'd save money and be able to buy better Ram or More ram and cooling fans. Be saving £100 on not having to buy a hard drive or windows 7 which is £75 on it's own.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2016, 08:33:00 AM by Craig »
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2016, 06:49:32 AM »
 Swapped the water cooling to this as it's slightly cheaper and in stock. 
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cooler-master-hyper-212-evo-cpu-cooler-hs-035-cm.html

Got the same Motherboard which is busting because this thing is a BEAST,
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-sabertooth-990fx-r2.0-amd-990fx-socket-am3-ddr3-motherboard-mb-576-as.html

Graphics card wasn't on there but I got this one as the specs are the same if not slightly a little better, This one has a 1030mhz core slightly a little more, everything else is more or less equal, LOVE THE LOOK OF THIS CARD!

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-radeon-r9-380x-directcu-ii-strix-oc-4096mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-392-as.html

I couldn't get the Trident X Ram so I have gone with identical equal the Kingston Hyper XFury. The specs are sweet.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kingston-hyperx-fury-black-16gb-2x8gb-ddr3-pc3-14900c10-1866mhz-dual-channel-kit-hx318c10fbk2-16-my-196-ks.html

I couldn't get get the case the sexy black and orange one :( so sad, But I got this black and red demon instead
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aerocool-v3x-advance-devil-red-edition-midi-tower-black-red-ca-071-ae.html

Got the same core, BOSS!
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-piledriver-fx-8-eight-core-8350-black-edition-4.00ghz-socket-am3-processor-retail-cp-336-am.html

This is going to be LEGEND......AAAAARY :D
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Feargan

  • Commodore
  • Unfound Engineer
  • *****
  • Posts: 472
    • UNFOUND
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2016, 11:14:39 AM »
Damn Sexy! The only things you missed out on are the other graphics card's lifetime warranty (vs 3 yrs on the ASUS) and the latency on the Trident X RAM is CAS8 (versus CAS10 on the Kingston).
You'll almost certainly never notice. 8)
I'm really glad you're taking the self build route and that you're able to upgrade all the way to the beast you want as a result... you know we got your back if you have any problems.
This rig of yours is going to be BOSS!  :o

Offline Daedrus

  • Division Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 179
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2016, 03:22:29 PM »
I return! Hopefully not too late as I have commentary.

-Hyper 212 is one of the best bang for buck coolers, and cheap enough that you won't feel bad if you have to upgrade later. If you intend to OC AT ALL though you'll need more beef, those AMDs run HOT.

-The RAM change is fine, since you swapped to an AM3+ CPU, which is capped at 1866 and wouldn't benefit from the low-latency. On an AM3+ system you can compensate by tweaking Hypertransport.

-380x is a great card and the ASUS cards are a lot better on heat management than most other OEMS, which is good on those. That and your CPU are power hungry SOBs though, so don't skimp on the PSU!

-Really, you want at least a 600W for your revised build so you have some safe overhead. I'm not kidding about the AMD power draw.

-That board is solid as FUCK.  Upgrade the BIOS ASAP though, since it's been around a while like most AM3+ boards.

-If you upgrade to 10 straightaway, do a clean install of 10 after. Good news is that it's real easy to re-install any 10 system, and if you, say, put an SSD in later it's a lot less of a hassle to activate.

-A 240GB ssd is good. I'd suggest a SAMSUNG EVO, since it's a lot more speed for not much cash (though that's US pricing though). Kingstons are reliable and well supported though, and OP is done for you. You can throw in any mech hard drive and just move your user directories to that, save the SSD for OS and software.

Good build, dude. May it bring you glory.



Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 12:00:05 PM »
Hey dead I wondered where you been. Glad we have your approval. I had to wait for a couple of cables to arrive to power the board and card as the connectors were bigger on the board and there is two power points on the card. Juat powered it on and trying to boot up with the usb drive that has windows on it.
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2016, 02:33:54 PM »
Ok, so at first the new build was lush, Arma 3 on uktra is just amazing good. the detail is out of this world. I turned on the computer this morning and started downloading cities and started a new game, 20 minutes into playing I was scared to death by a loud bang and some blue flashing leaping out the back of the power unit.

My main concern is that I don't have anything to test to see if everything is working. But after my investigations I do believe everything is alright. I just need a new PSU. I am currently looking at one Corsair 750w at around £70.00. So it maybe a while before managing to afford one. Looking at all the components after everything cooled down I can't see any burns or damage. I think and hope with every inch of awesome that it over heated and blew a capacitor inside the power unit. There was some sort of power being supplied to the motherboard and the status light was solid green, and the power lights were still on the graphics card so that was looking lright.

I've binned the PSU and now I am sat being grumpy and annoyed. Hope this is a warnning to all. DO NOT USE SHIT CHEAP CPU FOR YOUR KICK ASS AWESOME BUILDS.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2016, 02:57:25 PM by Craig »
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Feargan

  • Commodore
  • Unfound Engineer
  • *****
  • Posts: 472
    • UNFOUND
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2016, 04:46:14 PM »
Ouch! Given that you actually saw blue arcs, I would wager the PSU overheated and blew a capacitor as you said or melted the insulation on the copper wire in the induction coils; either way, PSU is toast.

Possibilities:
1. The case you're using didn't have enough airflow. <- I find this one unlikely unless you somehow installed the PSU upside down with the fan pointed at the top of the case, but you never know, those AMDs do run hot.
2. The power supply you were using wasn't up to the task. The CPU, HDD, and GPU sucked too much continuous power and overheated the PSU. This means you probably need "Moar Powwah!"
3. It was just that power supply's time.

My money is on a combination of all three.  I would get a power supply capable of more output if you can. Hope that helps in any way; wish I could do more. :(

Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2016, 03:23:31 AM »
I think it was a combination of the three. I have moved everything into my old case I'll buy 2 mesh grids to clip back in the front. I spent a little time fixing it up and looks goo again. There is so much more room. I have 2 fans, 1 at the front and one at the bottom drawing in cool air to the mother board and graphics card. Two fans on the card it self and yhe one on the AMD core. I then have two 120mm fans on the top of the case ro expel the hot air and one at the back to also expel it. In total I have 8 fans lol. I also redone the artic paste as I think I went a little mad on it. I ordered 2 different power units but looking at review there gonna go two.

I think the over heating issues that my old rig was having was due to the ol psu and it was on its way out. I do remember you saying too Fear that it could be that aswel which was the problem. Im looking at a corsair 650w Semi moduled psu should do the job
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2016, 06:13:08 AM »
I have looked at a web site that lets you know how much watt each component needs. The graphics car needs min of 550 and the main board is saying don't use any less than 3t0 watts. Do I add these together and get something with large watt output say a 1000 watt supply. 
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Feargan

  • Commodore
  • Unfound Engineer
  • *****
  • Posts: 472
    • UNFOUND
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2016, 11:14:17 AM »
If that's what the specs are saying, then yes, 1000 Watt or more would be what you want. AMD/ATi are known for large power consumption, and given that you will be cranking your video card up to 11, it's definitely a good idea to have a great power supply driving it. Your platter HDD will also draw some power in addition to your fans. Having plenty of room between your peak power consumption (while playing ARMA) and your power supply's peak power rating will help avoid overload and overheating failures.

Last thing: Power supplies and hard drives die spontaneously, without warning, and often just after leaving the assembly line. It's some sort of fucked up ghost-in-the-machine, Murphy's law, voodoo bullshit... probably from mining the metals for the damn things from some sacred burial ground or other such fuckery. Despite proper installation and perfect care I've seen them die after ten minutes and I even have one that is almost 20 years old and is still kicking ass. GET A POWER SUPPLY WITH AN AWESOME WARRANTY if you can... or be like me, spending way more money in the long run, and keep replacing them until you can afford the good one.  ;)

Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2016, 05:31:09 PM »
Well with the help of Fear and THO's H we managed to work out that qe needed at least 780 watts of power and I'm going to go with the 80 quid aerocool 850 watt Gold so I'll get a nice stable quality power supply for under 100 pounds. 

Was looking on Pc no how site and they have a few top 10 list for 2016 with my grapics card being in the top 10 Cards to have so I am hapy. My Kingston hyper fury x 8gb Ram came in the top 10 for quality performance and price so think I made a great choice on them. All in all apart from the electrical explosion I'm quite happy with it all.
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Feargan

  • Commodore
  • Unfound Engineer
  • *****
  • Posts: 472
    • UNFOUND
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2016, 07:37:47 AM »
Sorry your PSU died man, glad you're happy with your new parts, though.  8)

Offline Craig

  • Unfound Original
  • *****
  • Posts: 460
    • Buzz-Mobiles.com
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2016, 08:57:30 AM »
Ordered new 850 watt gold aerocool power supply today. Be here tomorrow. It's quite funny as one of the answers I got from someone on Amazon was that a 650 psu would do fine and I could run x2 Radeon R9 980x when just 1 of those things destroyed the 650 watt supply I had. My respones was fairly nice.
I love cake, and HAMMERS

Come visit me at

 http://RigsUK.com

Offline Daedrus

  • Division Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 179
Re: New PC Time
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2016, 12:47:28 PM »
Sorry, been insanely fucking busy as late.

Generally, my rule is to calculate the approximate, uprounded power draw and then add 15-40% headroom depending on perceived later add-ons and the PSU 80Plus efficiency rating.

Power supplies run at peak efficiency at around 60-80 percent load depending on the overall efficiency. Once you get above that bar there a lot of power is just turned to heat. Each "80plus" rating allegedly raises the maxmum efficient load level relative to its peak wattage.

TLDR  850 is a good number for your rig on a gold PSU. Good luck!